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I am particularly referring to the dust issue. Dust particles keep appearing on the inside of my E71's screen which annoys the hell out of me. I've found a way of opening and cleaning it but that simply shouldn't be necessary.
If not for that and the extremely slow browser (when dealing with larger websites) the E71 would be a great phone. Its functionality and qwerty keyboard packed into a slim case are exceptional.
I'm more keen to see what Nokia can do with a touchscreen device. The N97 was a bit disssapointing size and spec wise. I mean the E72 will blow the N97 out of the water.
I don't think I'll be upgrading right away though. The updates are sure nice, but I'm waiting too see what will come from Android before the end of the year. I'm expecting a kick-ass QWERTY + Touch on their side, and that would probably best the E72 if the Android app catalog comes on par on the functionality front (you know, office document editing capabilities, unrestricted bluetooth...).
If not, the E72 will be cheaper by that time and I'll then be upgrading probably. No way I'm going to cash out the premium price right at launch once again though (the E71 was kick-ass since launch, but it's just that the E72 isn't 'new' enough to justify a serious cash out IMHO).
Nokia keeps playing dirty tricks on it's customers , NOKIA does NOT listen to it's customer base much after sale, after you buy your Nokia, you are on your own. If you have an issue you are most of the times out of luck they will not listen.
I did NOT forget how Nokia didn't provide the A2DP Software upgrade for my Nokia E61, why didn't they do it? I had to wait till I upgraded to my E71 ONE AND A HALF years later to be able to use my Bluetooth Headphones which I purchased with my E61 under the impression A2DP was coming as a software patch!
Not even the E61i which came later had A2DP, wow too much effort to make that happen Nokia?
Nice trick Nokia, ALWAYS keep something essential missing for the next version, so that to force customers to upgrade if they are NOT comfortable where they are.
Why not fix the software issues in the E71 Camera that makes night and other photos horrible? That's right you have to wait for the E72 for this to happen, because the software fix is toooo advanced for the E71 right?
Why not make FP2 available for E71? Is the E71 radically different from E71x? Do they take me for a dumbass? Not even Apple which has a majority customer base of Automatons dares do such things.
Why did they make the E71 with smaller headphone jack? Is it that much of an engineering challenge? You know very well why they did it.
And everybody here is clapping that Nokia is offering the E72 with a 3.5mm jack!
WOW Thank you Nokia for including what you were supposed to include since the E61 days, thank you NOKIA. Here is another stack of hundred dollar bills as a token of my deep felt appreciation.
I can't upgrade my Nokia E71 firmware...wanna know why?
Well because if I do, MagicKey will not work anymore. I will not be able to use my Nokia E71 keypad the way I want to use it on my phone anymore.
For instance, for normal usage, I have the "!?" button mapped as RIGHT SHIFT and the "chr ctrl" Button mapped as CTRL so that I can highlight text with ease by using SHIFT and CTRL right away. Also, I have moved the "chr" button to the " & ' " button.
Also, I use Putty on My E71 to SSH into my servers so I have CTRL, Page UP & DOWN, TAB and a RIGHT SHIFT buttons programmed in MagicKey to my E71 Keys when I launch putty those keys are there, that way when I open Putty it's like having a real keyboard and I work away at my convenience, but I can't upgrade to the new firmware because I will NOT be able to use my phone like I want to.
GREAT WORK NOKIA!
Why no standard USB connection (Type-B or mini-B would do)?
Why no USB Charging for the E71?
Well because that's what the E72 might be able to do DUH DUMBASS why make something available now when we can have it later??!
Nokia is a little good at what it makes but their business decisions are SLIMY as hell. I am getting sick of being treated like I owe my life to Nokia.
Plus, money doesn't grow on trees either, The E-series might be amongst the best that is out there and are my favorite hands down, but they are not specifically cheap either. I have NO IDEA how people automatically expect others to just JUMP ON THE UPGRADE TRAIN as if the E-series phones cost nickles and dimes to get!
"GUY1: I am going to get an E72 first day they release it YES!
I am totally throwing my E71 away what a piece of junk!"
"GUY2: YES SIR, teh E72, IT HAS USB CHARGING and a 3.5mm headphone JACK!! BRILLIANT!"
"GUY1: USB charging???? AND YOU CAN USE YOUR HEADPHONES WITH TI TOO? WOWEEE HIGH FIVE!! Where can I get an E72 you say?
I have this stack of hundred dollar bills, it's taking room in my pocket.
GUY2: DUDE NOKIA ROCKS!!!!!!"
Now let's play a guessing game and try to think what will the E72's replacement have:
Let me guess that one....hmmm they will have Non-proprietary USB cable, BRILLIANT!
E72's replacement will be able to output Video to A/V cable just the like the N95 decades ago BRILLIANT
The Camera won't need 10 firmware upgrades to work BRILLIANT!
Nokia will allow you to customize key placement, instead of trying to prevent you from customizing your own keypad. AWESOME!!!!!
NOKIA RULESSZZZ!
I am done with Nokia, after being a long time customer, I am moving to the closest form factor Linux phone I can find that allows me to use my phone as I want. I am not giving Nokia more money to take control from me.
http://www.9to5mac.com/AT-T-Apple-sued-mms-loui...
How about you address my points instead of evading them for a change Mr "Fancy Pants I Run a Blog About This Very Topic"?
I haven't, after about 5 years, seen a WiMo phone that doesn't crash every 4th received call. All people I know that have a WiMo phone bitch about having to reset it every other week
It took Apple what? About 2 years to add MMS? Something that my moms 40€ phone from 3 years ago can do. It took them the same time, and two hardware revisions to add a video recoding function. Something the phone of my mom can do too. With much lower hardware specs.
The fanboy behaviour you decribe can be found with any brand. Just look at them Apple Fanboys "WOAH! We can send MMS now" "And look at the new discovery of Apple - phone tethering"
That the E61(i) doesn't support A2DP: who cares? It's a business devce and not ameia device. Both have been released before the A2DP standard has been finalized... With a fullsize PC it's no prob to run it as a pure software driver - but on a phone with very limited processing power those things need to be implemented as hardware. And do you expect Nokia (or ANY other brand) to update your hardware with a FW update?
You won't find a perfect device. Ever. There are always problems. Even with your beloved Linux. You will always run into newer phones that offer things your old phone doesn't offer. Some you may get as update. Some you may impleent yourself. But you gotta ask yourself: how should a company survive if it doesn't improve their products constantly? With the many possibilities those phones offer already they NEED their customers to crave certain features so they can sell new stuff and, with time, offer devices with real improvements.
Having owned 2 E-series and 3 other Nokia devices before my current E71, I have to admit none of them match up to the completeness of this one (even considering the technology lag of their time). Yes I want more things - a 3.5mm jack, USB charging, better camera, standard SD card (instead of microSD), dual-SIM support, even a touchscreen for speeding up some of my activities. But then those are my own personal specifications and for a mass produced phone, E71 came way too close.
However, could Nokia have done better with E71? Defintitely Yes.
For instance, its true that USB charging and a 3.5mm jack is something that we've all been looking forward to for a long time. These must have been two of the most wanted features by all E-series users, hardcore business users or otherwise. And this is something that Nokia could've incorporated in their phones long back without requiring much technical innovation. However, these are also the 2 things that they chose to ignore - perhaps to bundle into an upgrade model or maybe out of genuine ignorance. And yes, they could've gotten better camera h/w & s/w too. Another obvious mistake.
To a consumer who's willing to watch, there seems to be an effort (not illegal, perhaps unethical) by Nokia to do what MS and others in software industry have been doing for years - screw a good product to ensure upgrade sales. Even with all its faults, majority of sane people are not willing to move on from the current E71 to E75, N97 or even iPhone / Pre / BB. Had Nokia really let the phone have all those other features, how many upgrade sales they'd have lost over the forthcoming quarters? I wouldn't have let that happen if I was at Nokia HQ.
On the other hand, there's this other thing about the E71. There's no business phones and non-business phones anymore. Just as a lot of business users are willing to move to Iphones for, amongst other things, its multimedia capabilities. Similarly, a lot of non-business users are looking to use business phones for, amongst other things, the ease of typing on a full qwerty kbd. And if you're a Nokia lifer like me, there's no competition from even a full qwerty N-series for a good E-series phone - the build quality of E-series is simply too superior. I'm sure Nokia already realises this. Specially the way E71 has taken off. So, once Nokia starts looking at not just the business users but the whole spectrum of possible buyers, it realises the folly - what's a minor revenue earner (say, proprietary 2.5mm headphone sales) is hurting a much bigger revenue opportunity (mainstream buyers). And the upgrades in E72 could just as well be fixes based on feedback to bring the E7x even more mainstream from the pure business end.
Finally, will I upgrade? Hell No! I got my beauty just about an year ago and am still in love with it (except for night photos and special earphones). Intend to use it for another year atleast unless it craps or something really catches my attention. And I hope by this time next year, there'll be something even better out there that we'd be discussing on these boards and which I'll finally go buy.
Cheers!
The inability of Nokia to deliver substantial firmware updates - including an update to FP2 - is just another example of the gulf that exists between Nokia's ability to deliver quality hardware vs. their failure to innovate on the software front. Heck, those of us in NAM are still waiting for the FW v300 update (and yet Nokia announced it wants to be #1 in U.S. smartphones; not sure how the strategy that begins with "alienate your current owner base" will win, but. . .).
As an E71 owner, I see nothing in the E72 worth upgrading. I don't care to buy into Nokia's flawed business model. I particularly feel that samthefreeman is correct when he asserts that Nokia's being disrespectful of its installed user base. In the end, that's simply not a model for a sustainable business.
my e71 just has to last long enough for a STANDOUT android alternative :D
Did not have to suffer through Hung Home Button, Purple Tint, Garmin XT killing E71, etc - like you guys :P :D
Personally I like to stay with Nokia, but my next phone will be based on Android and will have a larger touch screen. RIM might steal my business.
They can easily add about an inch to the length of the screen without increasing the over size of the phone and still keep the querty keyboard. It would be SWEET if they do that and change the screen to a multi touch.
I would wait for a real open (open as in at least maemo not open as in java inside linux android open) alternative before upgrading my phone again, so I hope to use my e71 for a few more years.
For now and the forseable future my e71 does everything I want it to and as oposed to the e61 that also did everything I wanted it does it fast enough.
He is too busy playing nice to Nokia so that they may give him a Free E72 to play with so he could come back to this blog and shoot a nice wad about how we need to be in with the E72 upgrade.
Mike, don't you think it's absurd E71 doesn't get FP2 while E71x does?
At the end the E71 buyers are the ones who pay more no?
And what about USB charging and 3.5mm jacl, was that much to ask for?
And the proprietary cable, what's up with that?
You seem to be a bit too comfortable with Nokia's policies, because it doesn't seem you care much about how often you need to upgrade.
I like Nokia's phones, but Nokia is supposed to have a different customer base, it shouldn't be like Apple were it just like hands down new models and customers are supposed to take it no questions asked because they are not smart enough to question...
Come on Mike, be a man and write a blog-article about Nokia's decisions, voice our issues if you care....though I doubt you would.
I'll attempt to answer your questions.
"He is too busy playing nice to Nokia so that they may give him a Free E72 to play with so he could come back to this blog and shoot a nice wad about how we need to be in with the E72 upgrade."
- Nokia never gave me a phone or $$$ because of this blog. They've sent me a phone to review for 2 weeks then I send it back.
"Mike, don't you think it's absurd E71 doesn't get FP2 while E71x does?"
- Have you used the E71x? That phone is so locked down it's ridiculous, and that's because of AT&T. You're still better off getting the E71 unlocked. It also came out much later.
"At the end the E71 buyers are the ones who pay more no?"
- It's a free market right? Simply don't buy the E72 and you won't pay more.
"And what about USB charging and 3.5mm jacl, was that much to ask for? And the proprietary cable, what's up with that?"
- I agree, it would've been nice in the first place. But don't what the Eseries has always been about before the E75. Business class only. Nokia is now starting to bridge the gap. Not sure what you mean about the data cable.
"I like Nokia's phones, but Nokia is supposed to have a different customer base, it shouldn't be like Apple were it just like hands down new models and customers are supposed to take it no questions asked because they are not smart enough to question..."
- Comparing Apple fanboys to Nokia E71 fanboys is laughable. Two entire different phones and type of users.
"You seem to be a bit too comfortable with Nokia's policies, because it doesn't seem you care much about how often you need to upgrade."
- NEED to upgrade? I have no NEED to upgrade to the E72. Maybe a want, it's like a luxury. Plus, people forget how old the E71 is now. The mobile world is moving fast. Over a year is a long time to hang onto the same phone nowadays - but again nobody is breaking your arm to upgrade your phone.
"Come on Mike, be a man and write a blog-article about Nokia's decisions, voice our issues if you care....though I doubt you would."
- I have made a place for you to voice your issues. This Blog! Your doing it as we speak. If you think Nokia reads this blog, you don't think they'd scroll down to read the comments?
Since you are "samthefreeman", you are free to NOT buy the E72 right?
I don't want a locked down version of FP2, I just think it would be nice if Nokia would make one for the E71. I'm no expert, but it seems the E71 is more than capable of handling all those features you mentioned in the above article, as well as fixing the camera issues once and for all.
Mike, I was also wondering (kind of off topic but kind of not) with the release of these new devices, what does the future hold for e71fanatics? My experience with the E71 would not be half as good as it is without this site.
I agree, Nokia plays it's business model well. They denied the E71 a good camera update, and even small FP2 updates (although FP2 is an upgrade really).
Can't say much more, I will move to E72, it seems the to be the fine tuned E71. I will benefit from the Optical Navikey, the tuned Camera, and the faster performance, and the electronic compass for GPS navigation. If they are smart, they will place it in a reasonable price bracket, to avoid having candybar phone users moving to Blackberry or other Linux based candybar devices. But i trust no E71 user will move to Windows mobile, that would be the ultimate mistake.
I want to be FREE
Oh what I would pay to see a Nokia E71 running an open Linux variant E71 + Linux + GTK = FREEDOM!
If Only Nokia would listen to what people have to say :|
"If Only Nokia would listen to what people have to say :|"
Sounds like you're ready for Android?
No native C programs means no GTK if you get what I am saying. So NO I am not ready for Android.
Sent from my Nokia phone
At the moment, I use my e71 to get my hotmail email via seven mail client and use mail for exchange to get my works emails. Other functions I use is to access facebook mobile and when I am out and about and staying in hotels that dont provide free wifi, I use my phone as a modem.
I have never really used the music player mainly due to the stock headphones being rubbish and uncomfy and I dont fancy having to use an additional adapter to use my own. I never had much use of the camera function also, so the e72 upgrade would just be for email connectivity, which the e71 works nice for me as it is.
Nokia executive : sure
Customer: When will you release it?
Nokia executive: Very soon but At the moment we have very nice e-series phones with blah, blah blah features.
Customer: OK Wow ... Nokia Rocks ...Thanks Nokia
The loyal s60 Customer goes out to buy Blackberry or waits for the next Android release with qwerty.
If most people have a phone that works to the standard that they desire, and they are not ashamed to let people see, the stated improvements are probably not enough to force a sale. For these people, you're probably talking about a "normal" mobile shelf life - I reckon about 18 months to 2 years - before they reckon they've earned a treat.
Regards,
Kerouac
I know I don't need the upgrade to the E72, but i'll be honest, us guys love gadgets. So i'm going to buy the phone as soon as it's launched in South Africa and then sell my E71 on an auction site.
Even the features mention by Mike in post do not entice me into dumping my E71.
However, I had hoped that Nokia would fix the camera issue in E71 and allow us to take some decent pictures.
I also agree that Nokia should fix issues with older phones than just fixing issues in new models.
My overall problem is that Nokia is a Handset Manufacturer and their software support for older hardware is just downright poor (and the E71 isn't old!). Imagine my shock when the E71x came to the market and it ran Feature Pack 2. The E71 and E71x share a very similar internal make-up (if not identical) and this update will never be offered to E71 owners because Nokia wants you to buy the E72.
I won't be upgrading to the E72. My E71 is perfectly fine. Nokia should rethink their strategy. I would like to believe that a few commenters on this post would easily part with a few dollars if Nokia made a pay-for update available for the E71 to bring Feature Pack 2 to the device. (And while they're at it, throw in N-Gage. The E75 has it, so don't even begin to tell me that my E71 can't support it).
The daytime photos are better than any other camera phone I've seen and compare well to point and shoot (sans a few megapixels) cameras. Night time is pretty poor but I've never seen a decent photo out of a camera phone at night time.
If you think this "problem" is going to be fixed with the E72 I think you'll be sorely dissapointed.
I do agree with the comments about Nokia holding things back. They need to stop this practise or they will continue to lose market share. There is no longer a separate business phone, gaming phone, navigation phone etc. There is just one phone and it needs to do it all and well. Where Nokia can differentiate and beat Apple especially is by offering different handset formats - a touchscreen, a qwert touchscreen, a slim qwerty (e72) etc etc.
Oh and one more thing, I don't like it that the E72's speakers are placed at the back. The speakers on the E71 will work better. Think of it this way, if you use some leather phone cases like the ones from PDAir, the speaker will be blocked if it is placed on the back. But with the speaker on top, if you use the vertical leather pouch types which is open at the top, the sound can flow better and the volume will be better than if it is placed at the back. Loud ringtones FTW.
- S60 is End-of-life and starts to look and feel old. And knowing Nokia .. an update to Symbian^2 later on, will probably not be supported.
- Nokia Messaging is definitely not stable yet (see Nokia forum .. full of complaints .. i also experience lot of bugs and missed e-mails myself).
If the iPhone wasn't available only from The Netherlands worst carrier (T-Mobile) i would buy that one. But not sure at this moment what to do.
Excited? No. A bit angry? Yeah.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/nokia-n900-r...
Next phone will be an android phone with qwerty keyboard (no slide keyboard though)
Somewhere I've read it comes out October 12th.
to cut it short,i bought my E71 approx one months after it's release and i still love. Nokia kept me waiting for their next firmware upgrade right after each release, but i will never change brands. this is my 8th Nokia phone and will keep on upgrading from the same brand. now what i would really appreciate, is to make FP2 available for E71 but they need to sell their new product right? anyway, regarding the question if i will upgrade or not. eventually i will, but unlike when i got the E71, will wait some time for two main reasons:
- to check the feedback from everyone else :)
- will wait for its price to decrease, since the E71 got 150$ cheaper only 4 months after i bought it. won't make that same mistake again :)